The case of looking to the east Internal obstacles, barriers to the development of Iran-China relations/1

According to the international group Tasnim News Agency, the contents of this file, which include detailed conversations and related notes With this strategy, they will be published in the news agency from this week. In the first part of it, he paid attention to the economic dimensions and joint cooperation in the investment field of relations between these two countries. , the foreign policy researcher discussed the new China’s macro-economic outlook, regional and bilateral issues and dimensions of Tehran-Beijing future cooperation in a conversation with Ali Fekri, head of Iran’s Economic and Technical Assistance and Investment Organization.

The description of this dialog is as follows.

Before we get into the specific discussions of Iran and China, I would like to know about the organization, what measures has the Foreign Investment Organization itself taken during your three-year tenure in this organization in order to attract foreign capital?

**Iran Investment and Technical Economic Assistance Organization is the organization responsible for the implementation of the foreign investment attraction and support law and actually the secretariat of the Foreign Investment Board of the Islamic Republic Iran is considered this organization and the responsibility of attracting foreign capital and of course the responsibility of attracting foreign financing in the Ministry of Economy was entrusted to this organization. In the field of investment, first of all, we decided from the beginning of the government that the statistics given and the picture presented of the foreign investment situation should be a real picture. An image that if economic activists refer to the organization’s statistics and want to see what our real situation is in attracting and attracting foreign capital, they can rely on these statistics. This may have been considered a challenge for us at first glance because you know that in the round of attracting foreign capital we have an introduction of investment opportunities and after that we reach a point where we discuss the readiness of various institutions effective in that investment plan. We do them, get the required documents and finally connect the investor to the investor.

Tasnim: Now China is Where does it stand among investors?

** If we want to say the whole 13th government, the second place, but if we want Let’s say the year 1402 is the first place; Of course, I am still saying that part of the funds that enter the investment organization and apply for an investment license, we may have an interview in a few months because we have the statistics related to If we receive the investments that did not receive our permission from other organizations, for example, from the National Iranian Oil Company, and match them with the criteria we have within the organization, this position may change again, but what I am telling you today is relevant. According to the statistics of investment permits or actually investment plans that received foreign investment permits, China was the first place in 1402, but in the whole period of the thirteenth government, it was the second place and the first place in the whole thirteenth government of Russia. .

Tasnim: There is a challenge in the field of foreign investment, and that is that some believe that we, as a country that We are oil and energy sellers, generally our trade balance must be positive and we do not need to invest in one sense and we must import technology in exchange for the sale of oil, gas and energy that we have. Apart from this point of view, some others believe that we cannot get foreign investment and this is mainly due to sanctions or some external challenges. According to your past talks and interviews and notes that you believed that there are some legal obstacles and things like that that do not allow foreign capital to enter the country, is it possible to explain these obstacles that do not allow foreign capital to enter the country? > Basically, no country and no capitalist or investment will come just to give technology, to make technology available to you without wanting to share in its benefits So when we say we just want to bring technology and import technology – now regardless of whether we have such resources at all, i.e. whether our oil resources still allow such a movement or not – this has its own argument that I believe we have oil resources and are still a country that produces energy resources We are, but at the same time, we are also one of the big consumers, both in daily and household consumption and in industrial consumption and production chains.
Neighboring and neighboring countries have common community interests, that is, not only in the economic field, we have common interests and a common destiny in different fields. Therefore, these interests can be defined with countries that are aligned with the countries that our development, our progress, or the implementation of economic plans in Iran provide their benefits in some way. These are the main sources of foreign capital in Iran, and today we Thirteenth, we focused on this part of resources.
For this reason, you can see that the position of the countries that have become the most important investors in Iran has changed compared to the past, both in terms of quantity and quality. We observe and quantitatively. This was caused by this kind of view, but the issue that we have is to say that sanctions, I said in a previous interview that sanctions will ultimately affect those countries whose progress is not in line with their interests, and in some places it will increase our costs. No one denies the fact that we say that the embargo has no effect, it does not increase our costs, we can also reciprocally take measures to increase the costs of the embargoer, what are we doing now, talk about it
But the issue is internal obstacles. Alhamdulillah, a few days ago, even though we reached the final months of this term of the Islamic Council, with the efforts of the honorable members of the parliament, this financing plan for the jump in production came to fruition, and I remember two or three months. Before, when the Guardian Council returned the legal objections to the plan to the parliament, I told some of my friends in the Economic Commission of the Parliament that it will happen in this period, and today I am very happy to say that it happened and the Guardian Council announced that this plan was approved and will be communicated to the government. In fact, many obstacles have been seen there. How should they be resolved? How should we have the private sector and people’s participation in attracting foreign capital? It is included in that plan. Article 30 of the bill is the law. Now in this law we discuss currency rate, the currency that foreign investors like other economic operators or foreign tourists who enter Iran, at what rate do we buy your values, what incentives do we have in this regard?

Many actions Done. We and the Central Bank were very coordinated, but both of us needed a legal platform, which Alhamdulillah was done by the members of the parliament and the Guardian Council, and today we have that law, which will now be announced one or two times, so these obstacles we have Talking like this is an obstacle.

Tasnim: Let me borrow your speech here. We are witnessing the same issue regarding the bilateral relationship between Iran and China, which is one of the reasons why the Chinese investor does not fully enter or the plans that are proposed in News comes and goes. We don’t see concretely, we don’t hear about its contracts. This is the same duality. They say the Chinese don’t enter due to external reasons, such as the embargo, the political risks that exist. Some people believe that there are internal obstacles for this field. Regarding our specific relationship with China, where exactly do you evaluate these obstacles?

**I totally believe that second part. I mean, I emphasize this again, I’m not saying that sanctions don’t work, but when we define common interests that we can do this, we and China can define common interests in many places. The Islamic Republic is a serious and important regional power in the West Asian region, and whatever plan China wants to have in our region, it cannot ignore such a power. In addition, the various plans in the field of the belt under the title of the road belt, which many may think that the belt means a number of roads or transit roads, if this is a part of this, it is actually a development program that is implemented in China. It has been implemented for many years and it was practically announced in 2013.

Iran is one of the main actors in this path, the path that can chain define common values ​​between China and our neighbors and their neighbors. If we do these common interests correctly and then solve these internal obstacles that we talked about, many problems will be solved. I spoke with several important economic activists in China. www.tasnimnews.com/fa/currency” target=”_blank”>exchange rate which is really a concern of them that finally when the investor comes, he wants to know what profit he can make, which means he can at least calculate the end of the road Where is it, what path should it take? Their other problem is these changing laws or, in fact, changing regulations and instructions, which makes it very difficult to predict the future for an economic activist. This has nothing to do with sanctions. This is what happens inside. We had a meeting with economic activists of Iran’s private sector. They also raised the same issue and asked the government that if we want people’s participation, according to the slogan of the year announced by the Supreme Leader, we want people’s participation to increase in real terms, one of the ways is stability. /> In this government, we tried to reduce the number of circulars and new letters that come every day, and this has happened. Now, my colleagues in other areas can tell you, the number is still high, but we are still at the beginning of the path. We find this changeability and instability of the rules and regulations really bothers the investor. The main thing in our relationship with China and even the relationship with other countries is from our side. That is, if we can overcome the internal problems, we will now facilitate the entry of capital through various methods, such as legislation and supervision. But some people believe that if an Iran that has been sanctioned and remains weak, it will serve the interests of the Chinese more, that is, they can buy oil with “_blank”>currency price and they can make their own investment at a lower price. How do you respond to this view?

** First, we need to think a little more about the size of economies when we’re talking about an economy the size of China’s economy. If we assume that this is not what I am saying, but if we assume that all of Iran’s oil is exported to China, then there is no such thing, but if we assume that all of our oil exports are exported to China, then you should have a ratio between Take the amount of discount and the size of the economy, then we will see if it is really reasonable. As much as the discount that happens will benefit from that discount.
No, there is no such thing, which means that since we are talking about the economy now, we have to take a measure of the size of that economy now and this amount of discounts or This amount is not actually the receipts from this area in that economy. In addition, we are not the only exporter of oil, which means that you now know the amount of Chinese oil imports. Of course, China is not just an importing country. Until now, in recent years, it produces less than 40% of its oil and imports the rest from abroad, and we are not the only exporter of oil, no, this is not the case for a country that defines value chains. It is slow for a country with an emerging economy or an emerging country that has not yet reached a certain point of economic strength. For such an economy, it is much more important to find a partner than to get a discount in this partnership.

Tasnim: What do the Chinese expect from us? Look in the same framework that you say, for example, one of Iran’s foreign investment priorities is what kind of gas should be invested upstream and downstream of the oil industry, and numbers like 100 billion dollars are speculated for it. In my opinion, if the Chinese also make an offer, we should not hesitate. In your opinion, why does this not happen? What do the Chinese expect from us and what do we expect from China? We have already talked about the areas in which we should put our efforts, but we have a lot of work to do.

Tasnim: We, both in terms of upstream documents and for example the 25-year memorandum of understanding, and in terms of expert work in the organization Is it done and what are the organizational perspectives for investment and Chinese capital? Do we have a clear vision for others in a map? To allocate a specific country. First of all, we have to count our investment opportunities, measure the interest of the countries towards these opportunities and then leave it to the best buyer. These are good steps, there are some shortcomings that we are fixing now. We will fix these defects one by one. But if we want to assign a so-called project or a cooperation model only to one country, neither they expect this to happen nor us.
They also see us as an economic actor in the economic field. As this economic actor wants to maximize profits, we also want to maximize our profits, so what we define as an opportunity is left to the best buyer. I think the obstacle is not here. That is, to say that we could not provide a country with the opportunity to enter with a long-term vision is not the issue here.

We cannot define several candidates for one project at a time. For one project, you cannot negotiate with several contractors and everyone at the same time, because all of them come to the conclusion that you are not serious because they know each other. They know what their competitors are doing now. You mentioned the corridor projects. If we are going to discuss the corridor projects, it is clear which countries are the beneficiaries of these projects. But they did not take any action. In fact, you should know here that at least your choice was wrong. You should provide this opportunity to a country or enter into negotiations with a country whose benefit depends on using this opportunity.

Tasnim: Let’s enter into a 25-year agreement. I think it has been four or five years since it was signed. In your opinion, why did this memorandum of understanding not lead to a contract or contracts, and where did it end up until today?

It should not be left to this, in fact, it is a vision of cooperation, if I want to give an example that internally that is very visible to your viewers, like what we announce as general policies, which then become the basis for general policies. For example, to close the annual budget in order to close the development plan or for example to close the sea-oriented economic plan, but there are general policies and then based on those general policies, based on the line that has been clarified for us, each institution based on those general policies of the programs It designs itself, so what is signed under the title of the 25-year document between Iran and China, this document is actually the same general policy model. Therefore, the general policy cannot be converted into a contract, that is, its nature is not of that nature, it shows that direction, for example, now I will give an example from inside the document.

One of the axes of this 25-year memorandum is investment. We want to see how much it has been implemented, for example, the parties to an understanding that will be recognized in Iran as one of the countries in the belt area, and the parties will be able to implement joint projects between Iran, China and third parties, or the third countries that are on this path. You will see that this is a general perspective policy. So, we can define a model of cooperation between China, Iran, for example with Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, which means that the Chinese government is also interested in such a thing, because these general policies have been finalized between the parties, and we are also interested in this. We cannot say where the contract is when we come to actually arrive. Now let’s get to the project, that is, from a general policy to a series of specific projects that want to be defined in this framework between the parties.

Tasnim: Has this progressed in this direction?

** I think yes, we have made a lot of progress in this project, as I just said that China has become the first investor in 1402 and the second largest foreign investor in Iran during the entire period of the 13th government, it was a part of the follow up of this document. This means that the document that we are talking about now became a project. It means that this two billion dollars is an investment in this framework. Its volume is two billion dollars since the beginning of the 13th government, which is sitting inside the country in this framework. It has happened, it is happening both in our ports and in industrial, mining, and agricultural projects. Why did this happen? When the parties were negotiating, they mentioned one of these general policies, it was easier for them to be approved by their own government and for us to be approved by our own collections.

Tasnim: In the last question of bilateral relations, I also wanted to point out whether the degree of dependence of our economic spheres as a whole towards China is a state of imbalance. did not give to the country and this does not require establishing a relationship with other parties except China and Russia? Does this mean that this relationship should not be somehow balanced with non-Chinese and Russian capital? It is happening now. That is, now Russia was the first, China was the second, now there are other countries, Turkey, UAE, India were among the biggest investors of Iran, and these are the countries of the next tiers that are in this series, but if we say disharmony, no, I do not see disharmony in the bilateral relationship. Our relationship is almost balanced. That is, as much as we are dependent on China, Chinese companies are interested in being present in Iran or their interests depend on their presence in Iran. This is the reason why we say aligned, which means that the concept of aligned has the same meaning in the economic field, it has the same meaning in the political field, but ultimately it conveys the same meaning, that is, the common interest between us can be defined, and not now, in my opinion, there is a good balance between us and They are there. The type of relationship is not a one-way relationship. China is still an emerging economy. Therefore, it needs partners like Iran. You know that our most important feature is independence and that decisions are made in Tehran and not in other places to develop economic relations.

Tasnim: Do you consider the model in which one person was responsible for relations between Iran and China to be a desirable model?

** It is naturally good for coordination. For coordination between the institutions or between different departments, the Chinese also showed this luck and they also identified one of their officials as the person responsible for the relationship with Iran.

Tasnim: Can’t help in removing internal obstacles?

**No, he manages the relationship himself, our internal obstacles are very structural, and I really hope for this law, and if it is implemented, God willing, it will definitely be, because we are law enforcers, different collections The government and the systems related to the government are law enforcers, so I think the law will definitely be implemented and this will help a lot in these issues that we are talking about now.

Tasnim: I want to get into regional issues. In the area of ​​the region, we are witnessing a change in the entry of different countries into the region, especially the Chinese, and their view, in a sense, after October 7, is a difference in the way of investing in countries like Iran, the axis of resistance, even their investment in the occupied territories and in the southern border countries. has had the Persian Gulf. How do you analyze this ecosystem of investment in the Middle East after October 7th and specifically the reaction of our country to the attack on the embassy in Damascus in this period of about 200 days?

**One thing that we came up with at the beginning of this discussion, which I express in different languages, is one of the important issues of a foreign investor who wants to come to the country, whether he is an investor or not. The foreign economic activist who wants to come is that the first issue is that he can define common interests with you. The second point is to be able to look at stability and a long-term perspective, in fact, stability in terms of its decision-making model. What has happened in this period has defined the lines, that is, now an investor with knowledge and awareness can see that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the axis of resistance in general have started a new model of the game, and as you said that from now on The equations change. I see that these equations have changed. Different in the area. First of all, this area cannot be deleted. It means that no even average economy can say that there are some groups fighting together or there is a so-called tension between them. So we should leave this area and go. It is not at all conceivable that such a thing would happen. There are so many power factors here that no country, even a medium power, can completely exclude this area from its plans. So now that He wants to be here, it is very important to him what path we are on now and what is this path for his future vision.

After these events that What has happened, especially after our reaction to Operation Honest Promise, this incident has a very clear message. that those topics were so easily mentioned as terms, maybe many people in Iran did not believe in it, but finally, a type actually conveyed a different message from inside a country to the outside, such as the regional JCPOA, such issues that some inside Iran was brought up and gave different messages that the foreign investor and foreign economy activist came to the conclusion that it is possible today that this country moves forward with this decree, it is possible tomorrow with an election with a change and a change of government or A politician can change everything. Once they come to the conclusion that they want to change the route from route number one to route two. It is now clear to almost everyone that this will not happen.

This is the part of stability we are talking about. Stability does not mean that there are no tense events, there are many places, there are many tensions, and there are many investments. Stability means that they are sure that if they come today, they will enter into a cooperation with us because of a one-time change in our policy. We will not back down and want to start a new path. > I understood from your statements that what happened in the Al-Aqsa storm operation not only in the field of military security changed the equations of the region and our deterrence, but also in the economic field of the co-axis and the West Asian region, it made it more transparent and it will also bring economic benefits to us in the future. It was.

** Yes, it must be so, because I say it is clear now, that is, an investor knows exactly what specifications And a coordinate must define its own work in Iran in the axis of resistance in the south of the Persian Gulf. On the day before these events happened, I had an interview and I said that one of the factors of Iran’s power is that part of the Islamic world sees Iran as the so-called leader. They themselves know and this is considered a very important factor of power for a producer and a foreign economic activist that Iran acts as a model or as a leader of a part of the Islamic world. After this incident, the honest promise of what happened, that part has expanded, all economic activists in the world see this, that is, if Iran’s sphere of influence, or what we now call the axis of resistance, used to cover a specific or smaller area. It used to be that that range is getting bigger now, now you can see in many Islamic countries that now Iran’s position has become completely different. Maybe before that, we can say that the countries that are the axis of resistance are in this area. Now this space has become wider. These are the factors of power that for us, this has a lot to do with the outside. Those sudden changes in orientations became much more difficult with these events.

Tasnim: Do you think that if an investor wants to invest in the southern part of the Persian Gulf after the Al-Aqsa storm and the events that happened in the region, it is different from before these events or not?

**It is natural that the investment environment of everyone in this region has changed now with the current conditions, and some of that curtain has been removed from the losing horse. and naturally, countries or actors and economic activists had bet on the losing horse of our region, their position is weakened, this is completely visible from outside and its effects are also completely visible. I think that the ratio defined by the countries They are trying to define in the past or want to continue with the Zionist regime from now on. This is completely visible to external economic activists.

Tasnim: Let’s go back to China in our own region. There has been a traditional view among the Chinese that China tries to maintain a balance between the northern and southern countries of the Persian Gulf. So that this competition does not lead to tension and even some mediators analyze China’s mediation in March 1401 in the same format. Do you think the Chinese continued this approach after the agreement or did they change their direction?

It is good for them to try to define their entry as a new actor in this region as an economic entry and after the economy reach the political sphere, this is something that is almost constant, that is, I think it has been in the past, and it continues now, and creating such a balance, with the same interpretation you used, as one of the strategies of the Chinese side, we are still seeing this. that they are following such a strategy, but now whether these actors who are here in this region have changed their relationship with each other, it depends on what is happening in the region now.

Tasnim: If we want a comparison between the national funds of the southern countries of the Persian Gulf and Let’s make our own country, for example, the investment fund of Saudi Arabia, the Emirates of Qatar and ourselves, what is the relationship of the Chinese with these funds and our country?

I, of course, ask this question after the National Development Fund, what is their relationship with the Chinese parties now, but I want to say in general that the Chinese parties know that the National Development Fund of Iran is an independent fund that everything that has resources inside Iran It is a matter of deciding how to use these resources, but I am not sure that it will have the same attitude towards the investment funds of other countries, because there are different actors there, and China is one of those actors that wants to enter, and naturally those actors that They were from the beginning and they are very effective in those funds, they are much more effective than an independent fund that is here, but the friends of the fund themselves should explain what kind of cooperation model they are defining now.

Tasnim: Finally, what is the vision that the Chinese saw for themselves in the region, because there are different scenarios. that the Chinese have been looking for stability until today so that they can maintain the same trend of security in the field of energy that moves from the Persian Gulf towards China, but some believe that the changes that occur in the region, for example, the anti-American corridors or the axis that For example, the countries south of the Persian Gulf are stretched to the Gulf of Aqaba. Naturally, the tensions that arise in this region are desirable for China, and China welcomes this. What do you think is the favorable outlook of the Chinese in our region? >

**The point of view that they have considered as their ideal vision is that it should be stable everywhere and this stability somehow in In fact, tensions should be minimized until economic actors can. play their own game, but the fact is that they also know that now the source of tension in the world and especially in our region is a government that is considered the most important competitor of China, this is the source of tension in our region, which is much more than what we see today from the regime We see that Zionism in the open region goes back to the same power and the Americans. The Americans are not only creating these instabilities in our region, they are also creating the same instabilities in China’s peripheral area. They are following the same instabilities in Russia’s peripheral area. The same thing is happening with India, so they are trying to create instability in different regions of the world for their own interests so that they can maintain their position.

Here, it is natural that the Chinese side tends to have no tension at all, no instability, and everything should proceed very calmly. We also want the Zionist regime to stop these evils, and we also want the Americans to stop destabilizing the region and leave, so that we can use our capacities to develop this region, we all have the same general vision. It doesn’t matter; This is the reason why we are considered to be aligned, but how much this is real, that is, how much we can really act as a model so that the United States will really come to the conclusion that it will not create any more instability is another discussion.

We have a so-called perspective that what is most desirable for us, both us and the Chinese, and many countries in the region, perhaps most of them, all of their goals are stability and peace in The region should be ruled and the occupation should end. This type of operations they are doing in the region should be abandoned. Naturally, this situation is considered favorable for anyone in the field of economy, but is this real now? It means no, after all, you can’t design your own strategies and strategies for the future with your wishful thinking, we have to see what is the best action or the best strategy, what is the best strategy, what direction should we go, what plan should you implement in such a situation The indigenous life that exists in this region, naturally, the Chinese are looking to stabilize their position, which establishes a model of mutual dependence, because their power and strength is in the economic field, in order to stabilize their position, they must define a model of economic cooperation or overlap with countries in the region that do this.

Tasnim:  Do you think the Americans will allow mutual dependence to be established with, for example, the Chinese, of a strategic nature, with the countries on the southern shores of the Persian Gulf?

It is possible that the models are different and they enter from the path of sanctions and they enter from the paths of creating instability and With them, they enter from other routes, that is, they travel their own routes on the edge of the Persian Gulf, so the Chinese do not know that such a reality exists, and not only in this region, but in the whole world with a fierce competitor called America. are facing and it is obtained and known from the Chinese side and also from the American side and they also know that the most important competitor in the global economic level is the Chinese, so this competition which is now slowly taking the form of hostility exists. This is undeniable and the parties design their programs based on this.

Tasnim: This competition that you said will turn into hostility between China and the United States, can it have any benefits for us? Can we have a proper position from this tension from this competition between them?

** Definitely we can We can definitely do this, we could, and we can, and we will be able to, that is, when you have two competing powers, one of these competing powers, if you develop and progress, it will also develop and progress. The second power, if you find development and progress, it will be weakened. I have said in many places that the reason for America’s sanctions and evils should not always be seen only in the issues related to the identity issues that we and the Islamic Republic have with the Americans, only in these areas, really. Now you need a railway line to be laid here, a transit corridor to be connected, a value chain network to be formed here between us and the competing powers of the United States. All this means weakening the Americans, weakening their competitive power against competing powers, such as China and Russia. Like India, it may be American in the future. Such a model is not desirable, China is such a desirable model, that is, as much as America sanctions us so that there is no progress in Iran, Iran is as advanced as it can be part of a value chain, considering the characteristics that Iran has. Power means the factors of power that lies in Iran. If Iran can be included in such a circle, it is naturally in the interest of the Chinese, so the Chinese side seeks to develop such cooperation with Iran, and the American side wants to prevent it as much as possible. This did not happen.

Tasnim: As a last question I want Let me look at the same point that you said at the end in another way, if the Chinese have the intention and desire for the Islamic Republic of Iran to progress. Why do you think the Chinese don’t take such a step? On the other hand, if you tell me that there are some internal obstacles. I want to say that this proposal is not one that anyone wants to reject, that is, it easily rejects internal obstacles in my opinion.

Look, it is easy to say that we should invest 10 billion dollars. Let me give you an example. Now that I am, this offer came. We asked internally to find those who could attract these so-called financial sources with the specifications he said, but they could not.

  These are the facts that we have a deficit, the discussion is that you define a project in a way, let’s say I work with you for a hundred million dollars. First of all, it will take a long time to determine who will come and give this 100 million dollars to which project, let’s assume that the other party, of course, usually the other party also declares their interests, that is, no one will come to do this donation, no matter how rich they are, it is China. Otherwise, they don’t come to make a concession. They say that we are ready to cooperate in one area. We want to work in these areas. First of all, we have a problem to define this project. A 100 million dollar project, these are real issues that are happening. We have to present a 100 million dollar project. Our project is not 100 million dollars. You have to see what the previous branches or previous chains of that industry are in now, because you can’t assume, for example, that we want to build a bridge. It is not possible. The road on this side and the other side have not been built yet. You just build the bridge in the middle. This is not possible. You need this chain, the so-called industrial strategy. They say this chain must be seen. After this area, these houses must be filled, if you can’t do this, you practically can’t attract that capital

Tasnim: This is how I understood that we are not ready for development until which country imports capital with what amount.

Yes, that means you come now. Once upon a time, Sada and Sima, that is, Sima, actually used to broadcast a satirical program that once said, “I want to give you 10 billion tomans today, you go now and spend it tomorrow, no side.” You should know what to do, so you should know your development strategies, and then these development strategies should be real, that is, if we just say that we have this amount of money, it will be very good. For example, you just mentioned the figure of 10 billion. I think that more should come, 10 billion is the beginning of the work, but this 10 billion must come and sit somewhere, because you see, this 10 billion is made up of, for example, one million may be one million multiplied by ten. This billion should come and sit in a place where the actor Khordi who enters will come to the conclusion that this one million is profitable now, none of these houses will be formed until we can have that 10 billion collection. I am working here in this organization, I am touching this, I am living with this.

One ​​of these Chinese people came because It can be said that he didn’t come anymore, he wanted to invest in one of the value chains, but he decided not to go this way because that project failed, and we didn’t find it in our statistics either, and that project is not included in our statistics. What we did is that the statistics are only those statistics in which the investor’s entry happened. We saw this side and not that side. That is, in fact, the beginning of the chain before we reach this plan that was important to them, and not the end of the chain, which wanted to take part of this product to another country based on the same 25-year-old document that we talked about, to go to a third country of this product to use it there in his own productions and they also believed that they were in Iran for almost three weeks, they believed that if they do such a thing, the cost of their production will decrease drastically, when you cannot complete this chain. Actually, it’s not just that we lost this amount of capital, for example, this 5 million dollars of capital, in fact, we lost the chain, that’s what you say, we one is a discussion of the development strategy that we can’t just say we need money, nobody In this way, it doesn’t give money anywhere. Those countries that we see are given big loans, they take over those countries, we don’t have such a model in our country.

Islamic revolution has given us this thing that we will not leave our country to anyone who comes here, not the existing model, we must define common interest in the common interest that is with a We define a foreign partner, we must be able to fill these houses with each other. When this does not happen, practically no capital will come in. What we have tried to do in these two and a half years is to be able to define chains that are mutually beneficial. Let them be involved, so to speak, and let them benefit, and we will also benefit. About 2 billion dollars have been imported into Iran, in order to increase this number, naturally, we should be able to increase these chains

Tasnim: At the end, if you think about the promotion of bilateral relations between Iran and China, or in general economic relations between Iran and other countries, and there is something you need to say, we are at your service.

** Above all, we must prepare the investment environment in Iran, accept a principle that foreign investment is a two-way affair. Only we can’t say that he should invest at this point, we have to see the interests of the other party and then choose the best options for the investment plans we have and recognize the interests of the other party as well as our own interests. We will maximize. I think if we do these two or three things, then we will have some decision stability. The investment environment, now there are various factors involved in it, let’s improve this investment environment, we are easily talking about the amounts that we have now, considering the capacities that exist in Iran, what are the young people that we have in the fields that can be leaders in turning technologies into commercial technologies and Economically, what value chains can we define according to our geographical position in this region and also our strategic position that I mentioned is after this.

The recent events of this strengthening situation have greatly strengthened it much more than what it was in the past, and what are the factors like the old factors that we had, i.e. materials, energy resources and minerals, and these are found in abundance in this country. It means that it is nothing new now. All of these can be useful and create so much capacity that these numbers of investment, capital attraction and financing attraction that we have now. The numbers are really not satisfactory for us. The fact that we say in our interviews that the records have been moved in reality means that friends who were critics now, when they actually see the documents, they come to the conclusion that a change has really happened. Records have really changed, but this is not the end of our capacity, we are just the beginning. If we talk about the same issues that we have just now, and if we can manage some of our conditions in a small way, we can do these things. Let’s improve, we will reach much higher numbers.

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